Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:09 pm
posted by Nimue October 9th 2011
I am trying to find where I posted at the forum but I cannot, another coincidence:
TMZ posted on 10/3/11:
Dr. Conrad Murray Goes to Pot
Conrad Murray is still putting people to sleep -- only this time the "patients" are stoners who are buying the latest strain of marijuana
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:14 pm
posted by Nimue October 9th 2011
I don't know where I am posting anymore... hehehehe
Do you remember Murray said he didn't have a watch and at his interview he looked at the SUN to estimate the time?
Well same interview he says:
Now about the urine:
First, if Michael was using a condon catherter why Murray had to hold him up?
He pees 700 mL... and Murray throw away. around 8 am. Murray collected more 2 jars... Anderson analysed those...
And still on Jun 26, 24 hours after the death, the dead body had more 550 mL of urine inside the blader (collected suring the AR).
????????.
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:16 pm
posted by MaryJo October 10th 2011
Quote :
Quote from Nimue on Sunday, October 9th 2011 @ 4:59 AM
This guy looks too stalky & not tall enough to be Murray. How do we know its even Conrad Murray?? Just becuz they tell us its him leaving the building doesnt make it him.
Thats the problem with this trial, the evidence is based on he said, she said. Theres NO concrete evidence of anything.
Remember the game "Operator", we played as kids? The first person whispers a story in persons ear and then that person whispers the same story into the next persons ear so on down the line. The last person is whispered the story & then tells the story out loud to the group, and its funny to everybody how much the story has changed from the original.
The game "Operator" is what the Conrad Murray trial testimony reminds me of..
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:17 pm
posted by Nimue October 10th 2011 @
MaryJo wrote:
This guy looks too stalky & not tall enough to be Murray. How do we know its even Conrad Murray?? Just becuz they tell us its him leaving the building doesnt make it him.
This was not a good screenshot, if you watch the video you will see him better when he gets close to the camera, but I couldn't get the screen shot.
What amazes me is the fact that no one else is there, no paparrazi's, no fans, no public in general.
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:19 pm
posted by MaryJo October 10th 2011
Quote :
This guy looks too stalky & not tall enough to be Murray. How do we know its even Conrad Murray?? Just becuz they tell us its him leaving the building doesnt make it him.
Quote :
Quote from Nimue on Monday, October 10th 2011 @ 7:59 AM
This was not a good screenshot, if you watch the video you will see him better when he gets close to the camera, but I couldn't get the screen shot.
What amazes me is the fact that no one else is there, no paparrazi's, no fans, no public in general.
Nimue I see your point, Los Angeles Population is just under 4 million...and in this shot we see Murray walking, 3 cars w/ no public in view. This is UCLA public medical building...doesnt even look like the area is roped off.
Why is there nobody around??
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:23 pm
posted by Nimue October 10th 2011
The Fairy wrote:
A callus (or callosity) is an especially toughened area of skin which has become relatively thick and hard in response to repeated friction, pressure, or other irritation. Rubbing that is too frequent or forceful will cause blisters rather than allow calluses to form. Since repeated contact is required, calluses are most often found on feet because of frequent walking. Calluses are generally not harmful, but may sometimes lead to other problems, such as skin ulceration or infection.
One of the previously used treatment for callus was cannabis until it was banned in treatment in 1937. I doubt though that the rotten cannabis they claimed was found at the house was from 1937.
Good finding Fairy.
And the coincidences keep popping up.
At Oct 3 - TMZ posted about Murray and marijuana and at the same day
Surely corns are the least of your problems?
3rd October 2011 And Dr Conrad Murray clearly felt the need to take his mind off things this weekend by indulging in a pampering pedicure at a Los Angeles nail salon.
Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:24 pm
posted by The Fairy October 10th 2011
Well .... hehe... he did pick chair number 7..
Posted on Oct 03, 2011 @ 03:30AM
The Houston-based doctor, taking the weekend off from his court trial, was snapped at a Los Angeles nail salon on Saturday getting a pedicure. He reportedly left through the back and tipped the manicurist $5 after the procedure was complete.
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:28 pm
posted by The Fairy October 11th 2011
As I said earlier I find it weird how the detectives talk to Murray in an almost apologetic manner and going through the medications found, one by one and asking Murray for each one if he gave it to him instead of asking him for a list. If Murray did give him smt bad and he had tried to hide it, he might mention it because he wouldnt know if the police had found that particular drug or not. The way they ask him he doesnt have to mention everything he gave him. Another thing is the talk of the cigarettes and the marijuana.
Detective Smith says:
Since when does detective Smith know Michael's family and know they are against it?
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:35 pm
posted by The Fairy October 11th 2011
When Murray tells the LAPD about the bags in the closet, he tells them he normally puts all the used syringes etc in these bags, because Michael doesnt want it lying around...
He never heard of a syringe disposal or is he using them several times?
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:37 pm
posted by Nimue October 11th 2011
Murray says that Michael always asked to put the bags there... even after an emergency, where there were other bottles and syringes at the rooom?
The detectives didn't ask him when during the emergency procedures he put the bags there..
And Smith asked: "And that's where you left your bags THAT NIGHT?
NIGHT?
This does not come from a distorced media's article, it is in court transcipts. Since when from 10:50 AM to 1PM (time the ambulance left) it is NIGHT?
Different timezone maybe.
Interesting was when Chernoff questioned Elissa Fleak how she got the information about the bags, he made sound like Murray went to the detective just to say where they were asking to the detectives to look for them, and it does not sound like that at all..
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:41 pm
posted by The Fairy October 12th 2011
I have been wondering about Murray not having to give a testimony but an interview and why it was held at the luxury hotel where Murrays lawyers live and not at the police station.
The interview transcript starts like this:
Why internal affairs?
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:45 pm
posted by The Fairy October 12th 2011
This is another website and it deals with investigation of crooked cops...or cops with some sort of misconduct or where the public has complained about police brutality... this really reminds me of the police brutality in Michael's trial..
Is that the reason Murray's interview was made within LAPD Internal Affairs Group? Why else would it? Murray isnt a cop....
From the Murray intereview we have a very dramatic story:
And now from the article MaryJo posted:
"Prince, Paris and Blanket Jackson were initially kept in an SUV outside of the emergency room after they followed the ambulance carrying their father to the hospital, Trent Jackson said. Frank Dileo, who was Michael Jackson's manager, later escorted them inside after their grandmother arrived, according to Trent Jackson.
Murray never spoke to Michael Jackson's mother at the emergency room, contrary to his statement to police, Trent Jackson said.
Several contradictions, first Amir and Faheem who said they took the children to a private secure room at UCLA. Now, someone from the family saying they were at the SUV.
I don't believe the children would be left at SUV for 3 or 4 hours alone whith the nanny with the security inside of UCLA (all the bodyguards were inside of the hospital and allegedlly they got there around 1 pm).
But it is interesting that Trent says Murray didn't talk to Katherine and this agrees with Faheem said. Faheem said Murray didn't talk to any family member.
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:50 pm
posted by MaryJo October 13th 2011
Quote :
Quote from Nimue on Thursday, October 13th 2011 @ 3:52 PM
Murray never spoke to Michael Jackson's mother at the emergency room, contrary to his statement to police, Trent Jackson said.
Durring Oprah interview Katherine was asked who told her Mike had passed, Katherine said Dr Murray told her.
NOW, this isnt a minor detail...how could the mother of MJ get this wrong?? did she forget who told her?? OR did she lie??
HOAX
Also, was it Randy Philips? that said Dr. Murray first told Katherine & then told the kids.
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 7:52 pm
posted by GailShaw October 14th 2011
So many contradictions............it gets harder and harder when The Lie Becomes The Truth.....
Here is the link to the video of Katherine being interviewed with Oprah.....
video deleted/removed
If you skip to 12.10sec thats when she starts to talk about June 25th 2009.......and at 13.51sec is when Katherine says its Dr Murray..............
Watch Katherine closely and see what she does with her finger right at the moment of mentionning Dr Murray......she touches her nose..............this is a sign of not telling the truth.
Now here is a video of Michael in Ireland in 2006 with Will.i.am.....Billy Bush starts talking about Thriller and perhaps revisting Thriller with new options....now watch what Michael does with his finger when he says to Billy......Well I haven't really thought about it in that way..........The time is at 4.20 sec when Billy starts talking about Thriller...and its at 4.47secs when you see Michael do exactly what his mum Katherine does.......
Love this interview....Michael is being very cautious not to give away too many secrets.....if any at all.....Keep them all guessing.
Way to go Michael...... video deleted/removed
Signs of Deception: Body Language of Lies:
• Physical expression will be limited and stiff, with few arm and hand movements. Hand, arm and leg movement are toward their own body the liar takes up less space.
• A person who is lying to you will avoid making eye contact.
• Hands touching their face, throat & mouth. Touching or scratching the nose or behind their ear. Not likely to touch his chest/heart with an open hand.
Are we seeing THRILLER 2 being played out?
Cheers
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Subject: Re: LAPD detectives 29th September 2013, 8:01 pm
posted by The Fairy October 25th 2011
TRIAL:
Witness statements
-Dan Myers (LAPD)
-Orlando Martinez (LAPD)
Detectives Dan Myers and Orlando Martinez told the jury ... MJ's bodyguard Alberto Alvarez never mentioned anything about Propofol until two months after Michael Jackson died -- suggesting Alvarez may not have his story straight.
You may recall -- Alvarez testified in the first week of the trial ... Murray ordered him to stash vials of Propofol in a bag before asking him to call 911.
-Dan Myers (LAPD)
Dr. Conrad Murray's defense team came out swinging today with their first string of witnesses -- including two LAPD detectives, a doctor who treated MJ for 15 years, and one of MJ's nurses.
Detectives Dan Myers and Orlando Martinez told the jury ... MJ's bodyguard Alberto Alvarez never mentioned anything about Propofol until two months after Michael Jackson died -- suggesting Alvarez may not have his story straight.
You may recall -- Alvarez testified in the first week of the trial ... Murray ordered him to stash vials of Propofol in a bag before asking him to call 911.
My comment: TMZ didnt do a very good job commenting on the witnesses. Actually Orlando Martinez is being asked if it was his job to determine what should be downloaded from the surveillance footage (only from June 24 midnight) and Orlando Martinez contradicts Supall a bit regarding where they viewed the footage. Orlando was asked if he viewed the footage with Supall in the basement and he says "you can also view it at the guard shack", but Supall said they located the monitor at the guard shack and placed it in the basement.
So you couldnt both view it at the guard shack and in the basement as Orlando says. There was no monitor in the basement.
